From: "Lewis" Received: from [192.168.100.201] (account lgrosenthal@2rosenthals.com HELO [192.168.100.23]) by 2rosenthals.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.10) with ESMTPSA id 1050325 for lswitcher-dev@2rosenthals.com; Wed, 02 Sep 2020 13:24:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [lswitcher-dev] lSwitcher 2 92 RCs To: lSwitcher Developers Mailing List References: <100.500a0a00add43e5f.003@qwest.net> <5F3EE153.8050503@2rosenthals.com> <100.489a0e00d706405f.013@qwest.net> <5F401446.4000407@2rosenthals.com> <5F401F81.2090308@2rosenthals.com> <100.785d02006a26405f.033@qwest.net> <5F402B33.9090702@2rosenthals.com> <5F44DBD7.5010602@yahoo.es> <100.e0160400ebc5455f.002@qwest.net> <5F463134.1060209@yahoo.es> <5F4692C8.2030705@2rosenthals.com> <5F47829F.6030902@yahoo.es> <5F47DE34.1080102@2rosenthals.com> Message-ID: <5F4FD53A.2040807@2rosenthals.com> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 13:24:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/38.0 SeaMonkey/2.35 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Replying in no particular order... On 08/29/20 06:46 am, Alfredo Fernández Díaz wrote: > ... and getting ahead again... ;p > > On 20/08/27 18:24, Lewis wrote: >> Still running to catch up... >> >> On 08/27/20 05:53 am, Alfredo Fernández Díaz wrote: > >>> The screenshot is from January, 2019. I guess some subconscious part of my >>> brain was hoping somebody else would notice too ;( >>> >>> And I have a few like that for AOS too ;((( >> >> If everyone used English (as he should, some would no doubt argue), we would >> not be having this discussion. :-D >> >> Indeed, I am guilty as charged for not reviewing the other languages (at >> all, >> in this case). :'( > > Well, it's part of what we're supposed to do. I'm sorry sometimes somebody > "has to" report something because I didn't clear my to-do list fast > enough, though. So many wasted hours :( > Well, for lSwitcher, it's not like we have a whole translation team. So, the few of us polyglots (of one sort or another) here have to just look at several things. I see more of the non-EN ArcaOS builds because, well, they install that way. I generally don't install a package in English and then go switching (although I used to for ANPM, but that was before we - again - had a real team in place). I just have to remember what's what in the different projects, that's all. >>>> I wish there were something we could do about the non-CP850 language >>>> names, >>>> such as to localize the dropdown content itself. We can discuss for a >>>> future >>>> release, I guess. >>> >>> The names /are/ localized, >> >> Quite right. I meant to say, localized for the currently-selected >> language. Thus: >> >> English >> Spanish >> French >> German >> Russian >> Czech > > You know, that could even be a good idea ;p > I'll mull a bit over it. > Think of how we handle the timezone names list for each language. We don't list Kenya in Swahili. >> vs >> >> English >> Español >> Français >> Deutsch >> русский язык >> čeština >> >> (Russian and Czech come from Wikipedia; I take no responsibility for lack of >> capitalization or spelling!) These all work well in Unicode, of course, >> which >> is why I can do this in SeaMonkey without any problem. > > Which helped me stay in os2land a couple of times. > ;-) >>> just broken as Gregg said in another message. Unless standard PM can really >>> CP1028 characters (unlike Mozilla or OOo, which use some trickery of their > > That should have been 'can really show CP1208 characters'. > I unmangled it. ;-) >>> own) and convert everything, I don't think there's much more that can be >>> done (so you will see ÓÒßß¬¿® instead of proper Cyrillic, etc.). >> >> If I were a native Russian speaker, with little English skills, would I be >> able to determine that that was my language? Well, perhaps, if when the >> system >> was switched to CP866 before PMSHELL started the string would show properly >> (luckily, 866 includes most 850 characters, so those wouldn't be rendered >> illegible). > > I'm not sure I see what you mean there. I don't think anyone without a > very particular background would be able to tell "ÓÒßß¬¿®" means "Russian" > (and for a PM program, where would it be displayed in CP866 before PMShell > starts?). I also wonder how well a Russian with little English skills and > somehow being able to recognize the word "Russian" (in English) go > together. Why would the former be using an English system? > The thought is that if it were a Russian system, it would install by default in Russian, and thus, all of the language names would start in Russian (and not default to English). Even if the install itself was an EN install, chances are that a native speaker would set LANG appropriately, so that as much as possible was in Russian. Isn't that the reasoning behind you setting your LANG variable to es_ES, even on ArcaOS EN? >>>> [...] last night I sent another message to lswitcher-dev@2rosenthals.com > [...] >>> You know I hate to waste your time with such minutiae, but how do you >>> explain this then? >>> >>> -------- Forwarded message -------- >>> Subject: Confirmation Request (0651558236) > .... >> >> Easy: Server crash in December. I had to set everything up from a 2010 >> backup, >> and the rest from bits and pieces backed up from here and there (because the >> blasted backup volume was in the same array - the intent was always to >> back up >> to a volume in the array, and then back that up to tape, so open files and >> such would not be a problem). the system used to work, but well, the rest is >> history. the crash was further complicated by the fact that the JFS data >> volumes were type 35, multi-segment, and they became separated when we lost >> two drives in the array within minutes of each other (something I had never >> before seen). > > I know :( > I think you still owe me one reply on some other thread that touched on > that, TM2 and other stuff, btw. > Yeah, it's buried in the stack, here. I'll see if I can dig it out and get you a proper follow-up. I also missed some other post-2010 changes, but have generally caught up at this point. >> So, the short story is that you were subscribed, and I failed to restore >> your >> account. > > Look on the bright side -- you made me go check first (I was right to > claim I was subscribed), so you won our particular chicken game ;) > :-D Always the optimist! >> >> >>>> gmail.com address. Odd that you didn't get a rejection notice, though. >>>> Let me >>>> know if you'd prefer yahoo.es (though as we know, that has been >>>> problematic >>>> for list emails). >>> >>> In general gmail is just a fallback and I prefer Yahoo! where I use my real >>> name, even if that already started off as a fallback for something else no >>> longer active. >>> >> >> Surely. Done. I've also subscribed you to lswicher-user. Hopefully, I was >> not >> presumptuous. > > Yeah, why would you think I use a program that has had my name all over > its documentation since at least 1999? ;) > LOL... -- Lewis